I am researching my family history and have reached a dead end. The family name is Glover and they appear to have settled in Hartshorne area. However, there are an awful lot of them and I am trying to find the right branch of the tree for my ancestors. My final hope was to see the marriage entry of my great x 3 grandfather Joseph Glover who was married to Sarah Bates on 22 Oct 1832 at St Michaels church, Appleby Magna. As in usual Parish Registers, the name of the grooms father is listed with his occupation. Now I am told that there were no marriage registers in 1832, so where on earth to I go next to try and find who Joseph Glover's father was? Can anyone help please?
There is an entry in the St Michael's Parish Registers for 22nd October 1832.
Joseph Glover married Sarah Bates, witnesses Francis Bates and Maria Stretton.
But sorry - no father of the groom's name.
The Parish Registers are online on these forums - if you scan down the home page list a bit you will find "Appleby Genealogy" - the Parish Registers 1572-1906 are in there - the date order is sometimes a little difficult to follow because of the way the Registers were maintained back then.
A quick search on the name Glover seems to indicate that Joseph was not local to Appleby, but lots of entries for the Bates's. Marriages were most often in the bride's parish.
Joseph and Sarah seem to have had a couple of children baptised at St. Michaels, but no sign of them in the 1841 census.
FWIW - there seems to be quite a few Glover names associated with Newton Regis (next village over if you are not local to Appleby), so a long shot being that that is where Joseph may have originated (but no proof).
It's worth contacting the Leicestershire records office to see if they have the banns book for 1832, you may find that either the bride or groom came from another parish although the fact they are recorded as otp (of this parish) can mean they were settled there rather than having been born there.
Also worth a wide search on the 1841 & 51 census for a Joseph & Sarah Glover as the places of birth might give another lead. Also look at the witnesses for a clue.
I am a Bates from Appleby and haven't come across Glover in my tree although there were other Bates families.
Thank you Chris for your prompt and to sandrab for your posts. I haven't thought of the Banns book so that may have some information, although I cannot visit in the near future as I live quite a long way away. I have found Census entries for Joseph Glover for 1841, 51, 61, and 71 and in each one he states his place of birth as Hartshorne, Derbyshire. However, a search of the online baptisms at St Peter's Church, Hartshorne has not revealed any Joseph Glover in Hartshorne. Maybe he was not baptised. The 1841 Census states that he was born "in the same County" so that would be Derbyshire. The year of his birth, however, varies from 1809 in the record of his burial, 1811 in the 1871 Census, 1812 in the 1861 census, 1815 in the 1851 Census and 1816 in the 1841 Census. The difference in age between Joseph and Sarah also varies from 5 years to one year, with Sarah being the elder. It would appear that Joseph and Sarah had a child, Louisa, before they were married in Oct 1832, and she was baptised at Newton Regis on 3 Jul 1831, but no father mentioned. John, the next child was born in Appleby Magna, where they were married, and all other children were born in Hartshorne. I've even been through the Census records to see whether there were any Glovers living close by who may have been relatives. So did Joseph's parents live in Hartshorne, were they passing through, did they come to Hartshorne for employment? What was migration like in the early 1800's? It seems unlikely that I will ever find out for sure, as no birth or baptism records exist and the marriage has no family members mentioned as witnesses. I know of no siblings either. If anyone can throw light on this mystery, I would be very grateful.
Not much help, but maybe some extra complications.
I have noticed in some of my research that it is not that uncommon for children, particularly first children, to be baptised in the parish of their mother. So if Joseph's mother was not from Hartshorn's it might explain why there is no entry in the Hartshorne Parish baptisms.
And of course the dates in the 1841 census are rounded down if the local census enumerator followed the rules, which not all did.